Started by signalSalute, August 10, 2012, 01:54:44 PM
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Quote from: Torque on August 10, 2012, 03:10:37 PM"A customer (also known as a client, buyer, or purchaser) is the recipient of a good, service, product, or idea, obtained from a seller, vendor, or supplier for a monetary or other valuable consideration." straight from wikiYou are on welfare and your money is being able to play. Get a job (and get off welfare) or enjoy the game how it's given to you.Pathetic whining, again. /thread
Quote from: Gardner Denver on August 10, 2012, 07:38:41 PMWe have basically 3 types of users now.Player 1. Wants the project to be finished, reports EVERY bug they find, gives us any and all info requested about the bug so we can fix it. I think we have a total of 4 or 5 of these types of players.
Quote from: Gardner Denver on August 10, 2012, 07:38:41 PMPlayer 2. Wants the project to be finished, reports every bug used against them, abuses every bug they know. We have a slew of these who justify it under "Everyone else is doing it". These players are the bane of my existence. They refuse to report or provide details on bugs they are using making it much more difficult for us to find/fix the problems. These are also the people who cry the loudest about the lack of progress. They cause me untold amounts of grief in the realm because I'm constantly having to juggle complaints from one half of the realm about bugs that the other half is currently using on them. This problem becomes compounded by the fact that some of you (you know who you are) just flat out lie about what is and is not happening in the game. These types of players are going to be slowly but surely weeded out.
Quote from: Gardner Denver on August 10, 2012, 07:38:41 PMPlayer 3. Trolls and Griefers. These are people who are here simply to disrupt as much as possible. These will no longer be tolerated and banned on site from now on. There are other mud boards you can go act like that on.
Quote from: Gardner Denver on August 10, 2012, 07:38:41 PMI believe that as we find ourselves with fewer of the type 2 and 3 players and more of the type 1 players that you'll see the development pace begin to pick back up namely because the development team will start to enjoy working on the project again.
Quote from: Gnor on August 10, 2012, 08:07:30 PMThe vast majority of players are this type when they start here. They are excited and motivated by the possibility of new horizons for their beloved game. They dutifully report everything they notice with nothing but confidence that it will be fixed. After spending some time here, most of these players will cease to be your Type 1 player. Most of the time, this is due to the realization that nothing or almost nothing that they posted has even been touched. With this realization comes some perusing of the backlog of reported bugs in the forums, at which point the player realizes that there are indeed dozens and dozens of bugs that were reported up to multiple years before which still exist exactly as they were posted those years ago. This is the point where the player stops feeling like it's urgent to post bugs on the forums.
QuoteAfter becoming seasoned at playing on Greatermud, some of the Type 1 players phase into this new category. The genesis of this phase usually begins when the player has been legitimately carrying on in the game and has bugs used against them. Once they're killed by someone who took no evil points or take a few surprise rounds, they realize that because of the snail's pace of development, they can either adapt and fight fire with fire or just take it in the rear and wait a long, long time for the bugs to be fixed. Realizing where playing by the rules got them, they usually opt to fight fire with fire.
QuoteThis player type is pretty rare. They're only here to try to make as many people feel miserable as possible. Some variants of this player type choose to sit in a safe room and never gain experience in the game, but are very rarely banned or even warned for their behavior. A current example of this variant is Efa, a player who hasn't gained exp in months but shows up every day to bait people with racism.
QuoteOthers choose to spend their time trying to destroy everyone's fun. An example of this variant is DeathCow. DeathCow has ruined multiple different resets; some bug by abuse, and some by cheating with sysop powers when he still had them. I can't think of another example of this player variant, but DeathCow has never been banned and still enjoys access to privileged information in the developer's forum.
QuoteThe last variant is what I will refer to as a remote troller. Examples of this variant are people like Torque and Stalker, who don't actually play in the realm at all. They spend most of their time on the forums being as negative as they possibly can and crapping on as many people's posts as they can manage. They don't actually contribute anything to the discussion, but simply try to egg users on to derail post topics. These people don't get banned, and usually don't even get warned. This is because they are generally fanboys who try to curry favor with the staff by kissing their ass and defending them at every turn, which works with the development staff who look the other way and let it continue.I believe that since you not only create the problem player types that you described, but also allow free reign to what you consider (by your own words) to be the worst types of people, your statement just doesn't jive.
Quote from: Gardner Denver on August 10, 2012, 08:51:54 PMIf you check the bug report forums and compare it to the number of items in fixed and needs testing, you'll see that your statement is false. It is true that some bugs do get pushed back a long time after being reported for various reasons though. Those reasons are not always made public.
Quote from: Gardner Denver on August 10, 2012, 08:51:54 PMWhen players start out a fresh realm playing like this, your argument doesn't hold up.
Quote from: Gardner Denver on August 10, 2012, 08:51:54 PMYou're obsessed with Efa. It's unhealthy. Just because he baits you doesn't mean you have to bite. As you are so fond of saying, there is an ignore feature.
Quote from: Gardner Denver on August 10, 2012, 08:51:54 PMFalse and false. Deathcow has been banned before and he no longer has access to the developers section of the forums.
Quote from: Gardner Denver on August 10, 2012, 08:51:54 PMAgain, falsehoods. They both play although not 24/7 like some do. Your assumption on why they are allowed to remain here is wrong as well.
Quote from: Vile on August 10, 2012, 11:33:02 PMNo consultation or discussion ever happens between the devs and the players about bugs
Quote from: Vile on August 13, 2012, 06:56:48 AMThe 500% mystic change is a prime example of terrible communication and the ops just not giving a shit about the players.Fresh reset, come into the realm and all we are told is.. Mystics are 500% until we can fix them. No discussion, no feedback, no ideas put forward on how this fixing could happen, no reasoning, just mystics, deleted from the game, deal with it players.